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Tuesday, July 13, 2010

Remove Your Anti-Virus Security Software

What happens when you have four different security programs installed on a computer? It’s a lot like watching a slow turtle crossing the street. You sit, you wait, you stare and most of the time there’s a crash before it’s over.

I frequently have friends drop off their laptops along with the comment and the question, “It runs REALLY slow, do I have a virus?”.

Case Study: Bob’s Laptop
This week’s computer maintenance task was typical. There was no malware, trojan horse, key logger, virus or even rootkit on Bob’s laptop. So why did it take 10 minutes to boot and run so slow?  Turns out there were four, yes four different security suites installed. 

One of them was McAfee which had expired last year but was still running five different services. I suspect it came pre-installed when he purchased the computer two years ago. Even after running the uninstaller, I still had to manually remove more McAfee programs including a reminder service just in case Bob changed his mind in the future.

Next I started to remove the Anti-Virus packages which also hadn’t been updated in the last six months.  First I removed Window Defender from Microsoft. I’ll elaborate more below but the newer Microsoft Security Essentials from Microsoft does what Defender did and much more.

When I removed CA Internet Security I immediately noticed a different in computer performance.  I don’t mean to imply CA was the problem but at least we were down to a single Anti-Virus Suite. It still wasn’t as fast as I’d like but it was a vast improvement to be down to a single suite hooked into the Window kernel.

The last suite to remove was Symantec’s Norton 360. I’m not a big fan of Norton but there are some folks at Symantec who I respect for their support. They’ve become legendary in the industry but this creates a level of trust that makes some users blind to using their software properly.  Well known security packages like Norton and McAfee create a false sense of security. Users bypass learning how to properly use the product and they fail to configure the software. They often miss out on updated signature files designed to catch new threats.

I had a personal experience of this over confidence from the mayor of my home town Village of Scotia.  Once a week his computer sends me an Email with an link that I obviously shouldn’t click on. When I reported this, his response was “I’m sure my Norton will take care of it”.  The mass mailer bot using his address book continues even as I was preparing this article.


Clicking on the link will take users to a page that appears to be an advertisement for Canadian drugs. Unfortunately,clicking the wrong click to escape and the ad will make an attempt to infect the next person helping to spread the malware.

I finally removed all the security programs from Bob’s computer and it ran fast enough for me to provide some regular maintenance steps needed to speed things up like deleting temp files, defrag his disk, and I used WinPatrol to remove all the crap that didn’t need to be auto starting every time he rebooted.

So What’s the Answer? 
ScottysOrb64_normal First  (no surprise) I installed WinPatrol which works and plays well with others but shouldn’t be used alone. WinPatrol works differently than Anti-Virus scanners and so it doesn’t compete for the internal Windows kernel interface commonly used by security suites 

I also configured Bob’s Window Updates so files would be downloaded automatically but installed at Bob’s discretion. Keeping your system updated is critical. Unless there’s a special threat I do continue to recommend installing Windows updates 5-10 days following their release.


mse So what was my choice for Bob’s main security program?  (Drum roll please)
The answer this week is the free Microsoft Security Essentials. It may be actually be unpopular to praise products by Microsoft but the Redmond based company has devoted serious resources towards making your security a priority. On July 15th, the Microsoft Antimalware Team will release a new generation of their antimalware engine.

You can click the icon above and check out Microsoft Security Essentials but first go to the Remove programs applet in the Windows Control Panel and get rid of the multiple security packages that you no longer use. Even if you don’t use them, they’re using you.

For additional help removing old useless security suites you’ll find a list at the Security Garden, AntiVirus Product Removal Tools. Thanks to Corrine for her comment.

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Blogger Corrine said...

Most anti-virus products have an uninstaller that will help remove the "left overs". With products such as McAfee and Symantec, it appears to be particularly necessary to use the uninstaller following normal removal via add/remove programs.

For a list of major A/V uninstallers, see Antivirus Product Removal Tools.

11:41 AM  
Anonymous artemis said...

I'm a WinPatrol Plus user (have been for years) and for troubleshooting slow startup, a great companion to WinPatrol is Soluto. ( It's got an amazingly easy to use and understand interface and keeps history as well. WinPatrol Plus has better info on many startup programs, so I like to use WinPatrol to help decide on which startup programs I really need. But where Soluto excels is, say, when I have a startup program it would be nice to run, but not necessary, Soluto will tell me just how much bootup time it will cost. The two are perfect together.

As for MSE,I've been an NOD32 user for years, but when renewal time comes around I'll have a hard decision to make. MSE is quite good and I always put it on my friends' computers. It's hard to beat good AND free.

2:16 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I am surprised that computer actually booted.

re MSE, ditto! I use it in preference to a program I paid for.

Winpatrol still rulz.

3:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with artemis about Soluto.

I too have been a WinPatrol PLUS user for years and I use avast! V5 Free and Pro

6:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the forefront client by microsoft was slowing down my laptop a lot. should I get rid of it and install winpatrol?

9:46 AM  

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